Monday, March 12, 2012

Medical studies in Germany


During the past years I have been receiving a steady flow of inquiries regarding the options for foreigners to study “MBBS” at German universities. I am setting “MBBS” in quotation marks because Germany, like most countries outside the Commonwealth, does not know an MBBS or bachelor-level medical degree. In the US, for example, you have to complete a bachelor degree first (usually in the natural sciences) before you are eligible to join medical school, which awards you an advanced degree.

Germany
and, for that matter, the other countries of continental Europe have their own traditions of medical education. Most of them have never introduced the bachelor / master pattern for medical studies and are not planning to do so in the near future. Few countries – for understandable reasons – want to leave the training of future doctors in the hands of university committees or local examiners. Centralised state exams and country-wide approbation procedures for medical practitioners are, therefore, the rule.

There are no bachelor or master degrees for applied medicine in
Germany; however, there is a medical doctorate. In contrast to some other countries (like the US), students in Germany can join medical school directly after finishing their senior high school (i.e. after 12, previously 13 years) – assuming their excellent marks make them eligible. Applicants from outside the EU usually have to attend a one-year "bridge course" (so-called “M-Kurs”), which is offered by selected universities to close the gap between the German senior high school certificate ("Abitur") and the school-leaving certificates of other countries.

Medical training in
Germany takes a minimum of six years, including two pre-clinical, three clinical and one practice year as an assistant doctor. The good news is: There is a quota for international medical students at German universities (roughly 8 percent of all seats) and fees are not higher than for other subjects. So, medical studies in Germany are quite affordable compared to most other countries. The bad news is: Medical education is fully taught in German language.

So, before anybody starts thinking about studying medicine in
Germany, the first question should be whether she or he is willing to invest considerable time and energy into learning this not-too-easy language. Many have done it, and the rewards are considerable. The standard of medical education in Germany is high (just like that of medical technology), and German-trained doctors are welcome wherever they go. Apart from that, German medical degrees have also been among the first to be recognised in India. For those wanting to stay on after their studies, ample opportunities are waiting. Germany has a rapidly aging population, and some parts of the country are already experiencing a shortage of young doctors.

Chris
germanstudycentre@gmail.com

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  1. Great Blog Dr.Kiem! Will visit again.

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    1. Respected Doctors,

      I am resident in Cardiology department in Germany. Germany has no entrance exam like US,UK. and germany pays 4000 euro per month before tax as a stipend.For more details contact ashwinbidkar@hotmail.com/www.pgingermany.com

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    2. Sir I wanted to ask a question about my current situation , I have finished my medical school from AIMS( Amrita Institute of Medical Science) , Cochin , India in 2010.
      I have done a research in oncology division , and have presented it in a conference.I have also worked with a few students from NYU for a collaborated research , which was recently presented in the Washington Breast cancer conference.
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      the reason why I am writing this mail is to ask your advise on how to get around this , as I understand with a low score my chances of matching in residency is reduced, but with a higher score on step 2 can I reverse the damage done?
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  2. hello dr chris ,
    i just wish to know what i need to do for gettingm y masters in germany as i already finished my MBBS in india and i want to further my career in germany so can u give some light on tht area too as well

    regards,
    manik

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    1. Hello Manik

      You will need to try for a Post-Graduate Medical training position in a approved hospital/clinic in Germany. The duration for PG is 5/6 years. Good news is that the positions carry a decent monthly stipend.

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  3. As you can see from this entry to my blog, there is no master degree in medicine at German universities. You can either join the pre-approbation curriculum or go for a medical doctorate.

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    1. hello Dr Chris
      thank you for your kind reply in the blog if i wish to go for a medical doctorate what is the process i need to follow what are the pre requistes for doing my medical doctorate and what will be my career prospectives after i finish my medicla doctorate in germany wish to hear from you soon

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    2. So What do you mean to say is that one completes his total medical education in a Stretch in Germany Unlike India. Is that it ? Please Elucidate.

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  4. Hello Dr. Chris !
    Just came googling here ... I'd be moreover interested in pursuing PhD at Germany (Engineering, Nanoscience & Nanotechnology to be more specific) ... Kindly enlighten me of the opportunities that are available with me along with TA/RA. I will be completing my Masters in the May session (2012) ...

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  5. hello Dr Chris
    thank you for your kind reply in the blog if i wish to go for a medical doctorate what is the process i need to follow what are the pre requistes for doing my medical doctorate and what will be my career prospectives after i finish my medicla doctorate in germany wish to hear from you soon

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  6. I just saw your answers in yahoo and got into this site.. I'm Interested in the field of medicine and though U.S and other countries rates are too high.. Now my confusion is - Can i cope up with the german language? I'm class 12 student and i'm going to apply for MBBS next year.. And yes i need you to add me on facebook i.e. http://www.facebook.com/jimon30
    I've some more questions in mind but i foot want to make it public.. So its better you add me on facebook or google+..
    Thanking you,
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  7. Hello Dr. Kiem

    I am trying to find the best university(one of the best) in Germany, but i don't know which one is the best for my conditions

    Right now, I'm studying grade 12 in an american school in Dubai. my grades are A+ except for business and accounting that are A. My marks are all above 96 in math(almost always 98 or 99), physics, chemistry, and early nineties for biology.
    I am interested in studying medical and becoming a surgeon (probably a heart surgeon).

    I still don't know german language but i am a fast learner , and recently i have heard that some universities in germany teach in english. however, I already have started teaching myself german.

    I heard of Heidelberg university, humboldt in berlin, and LMU. which one do you think is the best choice? what is their admission requirement? what documents do they need exactly(i was really confused with this one)
    so, i would really appreciate it if you help about the procedures i need to make to get accepted in a university in Germany.

    here is my email : Fatemehpaknejad@ymail.com

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  8. hello sir..
    I have completed my MBBS from Bangladesh, Now interested for medical doctorate, as there are no options for masters in medicine...as your blog. So, what are the procedures to apply for that ? Thanks .
    Regards.
    adnan_mbmc@yahoo.com

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  9. i have to questions in my mind:
    a) is admission to a studencolliag a guarantee to
    a course in university(most probably not)?
    b) out of many students joining m-curs, how many are finally accepted in human medicine program or
    other way round how much is selection percentage for human medicine course?

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  11. Dear Dr Keim,
    Please let know if German Medical Council (of any State in German)recognises Indian medical graduation i.e.MBBS?
    Kind regards
    Dr Arun Verma

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    1. Dr Verma

      Every province in Germany have slightly different regulations to approve Medical qualifications gained in Non-EU countries, including India. As a thumb rule, the Indian degree is recognised though one has to undergo the process of "Approbation".

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  12. Hello!
    There is one question I would like to ask. I am from Georgia, Tbilisi. My friend is studying in Medical University. He's also learning German at local Goethe Institute and he would like to continue his studies in Germany from his 5th year of studying (here Bachelor in medical school consists of 6 years). So I wanted to ask, is there a way he can continue to study in Germany from his 5th year? Can he get a certificate of finishing those 4 years and then arrive to Germany? If yes, which could be the best cities to take into consideration for studying medicine? Thanks ahead for taking time for reading this and replying.
    Mari Verulashvili
    mari_veruchali@yahoo.com

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  13. Sir ! Please tell me what % of marks are required ( at least ) to try for admission in medicine course in Germany ? Also please tell me is it possible to attend studienkolleg to compensate lack of % ( to some extent ) ?
    Amandeep Dhaka

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  14. can i study mbbs in english language in germany?

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  15. Hello Doc. I am glad to read this all and its absolutely the fact that you mentioned.I was surprised that medicine field, in Germany is taught in German Language only. Abdullah from Faisalabad Pakistan

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  16. Hello,
    Thank you for all the details above.

    How does the enrollment to the medical university take place for international students?
    what is the bridge year for? does the admission take place according to the grade scored in the bridge year?
    And is there any chance that a pupil might not get an admission or he/she wont be eligible after they go to Germany and do the language training course?

    I would be most grateful if you gave me a reply.

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    Thank you

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  17. You should only opt for medical studies in Germany if your performance in senior secondary school (+2) was excellent. Our candidates generally have an overall percentage above 85%. In this case, you will definitely make it into medical school (unless you fail in the bridge year, which has never happened to our students).

    To find about the details of the admission procedure, you either have to search the net or to register for our personalised counselling programme (chargeable).

    Chris

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    1. heylo chris
      this is swetha ...
      i hav completed my mbbs in india
      and i am pretty intrested to pursue my postgraduate study in germany
      kindly guide me ... it makes a great a difference to me ... my mail id is swetha244@gmail.com
      if possible mail me ur contact number so dat i can talk to u personally
      regards
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  18. hello dr.chris,
    I am an indian medical graduate with 63% in mbbs. I wish to do my specialisation in anaesthesiology or dermatology at Germany. I have a few questions-
    1. is indian medical graduation i.e mbbs directly recognised at Germany?
    2. what exactly is approbation?
    3. what are my chances to get selected at german universities?

    Please guide me about this

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    1. Hello Isha i ve the same question.. if you received the answer can you lemme know too
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  19. hello!
    i am trying apply to study bachelors level in germany and i was wondering if you could help me choose the program which will help me to do mbbs/md in future in germany. or if you could give me some advice on the procedures, fees, eligibility or anything that would help me become a doctor. can i directly study medicine(doctor) in bachelors level?
    thank you

    please guide me about this
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  20. i m dr.sohail(pakistan) and complete 4 homoeopathic degree. but i want to do MBBS in Germany...sir plz tell me criteria

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  21. HI. I am Dr.P.vasu. I have completed my MBBS. Now i want to do MD course. After reading your blog i have a question: "The standard of medical education in Germany is high (just like that of medical technology), and German-trained doctors are welcome wherever they go. Apart from that, German medical degrees have also been among the first to be recognized in *India*" So Back in India this MD program is equivalent to MBBS or MD? Sir,Kindly reply asap

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  22. Hello
    I am Dr Ahmed i want to ask is it possible to have some medical Medical training in any hospital , is there anyway i can do this ?

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  25. Your blog was very helpful Dr Chris, however I do have some questions. You mentioned that students in Germany and as well as international students, can apply for a Med school right after they complete their secondary education provided they perform excellently. What exactly is the criteria of that if you've appeared for GCSE 'O' Level for your secondary education? Would it be wise to apply for a German university after completing just the Advanced subsidary level and not the Advanced level? Do these universities consider extra-curriculars when considering an applicant? For example Debates. What are the minimum grades required in As and A- levels to be eligible for a university in Germany for human medicine? Is it necessary to study Mathematics in A-levels for Human medicine in Germany even if you have studied it in the Ordinary level (secondary school)?

    Please do reply as soon as possible!
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  26. its zameer ahmed from pakistan kindly tell me the total cost for MBBS in germany

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  27. hi,hows u
    i have done my MBBS in pakistan with 1 year of house job . kindly can u guide me the procedure how can i apply for PG in any hospital in germany ? and which hspitals are affiliated for these PG programme.
    I will be obliged for your help,

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  29. hi Chris. I will finish my internship with a local hospital in India after finishing my mbbs course in Mumbai, India. I was interested in securing admissions in germany if i donot get into indian colleges. does my mbbs score counted while applying for the universities in Germany. I am really confused. What is approbation?

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  30. hello chris...am a medical graduate done from belarus..now in india doing my residency..am intersted to pursue a medical microbiology or pathology post graduation from germany.can you please help me?????in understanding the approach

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  31. hello chris.i am a medical graduate from bangladesh.i want to complete post graduate courses in internal medicine in germany..please provide me some informations..

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  32. hello chris,m a under graduate student from west bengal india.i want to know that upto what level of german language should i have to learn to study medicine in germany? which is the best university? how t apply for it?

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  33. Sir i am from Pakistan just will clear my intermediate in two months and now wants to do MBBS from Germany so can you please guide me and help me to sort out this??????

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  35. Hi..... I have completed my MBBS from India.... planning to do PG from Germany.... Please let me know how will it be possible

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  36. Hello ?
    I am from Pakistan and am doing fsc pre-medical 2nd year..I want to continue my further studies in Germany in mbbs.
    Kindly tell me the fee structure and regarding residential too..I hope you'll reply
    Thanks :)

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  37. Hello ?
    I am from Pakistan and am doing fsc pre-medical 2nd year..I want to continue my further studies in Germany in mbbs.
    i can't understand German Lang. so what i should do ?
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